I was reminded tonight of this...idea...that I was taught in a youth Sunday school class. I was taught that I chose my siblings and parents in the preexistence and should therefore treat them with respect and love. Because I chose them? It all makes so little sense, especially as an adult, with complicated relationships with all my siblings and my only living parent. Were this a true doctrine, I would not have willingly chosen an abusive parent. I then wonder how this teaching applies to other families, including those who have harmed one another in unfathomable ways. It’s all just a bunch of bullshit and so mind blowing that I believed any of it to begin with!
The most awesome preexistence talk I have ever heard and more. “A Wonderful Flood of Light” Neal A. Maxwellhttps://speeches.byu.edu/talks/neal-a-m ... -of-light/
I have never seen this talk in print, or I would give you a few sample paragraphs, it is awesome. Given at B.Y.U. in 1989.
... yet he was sustained as a prophet, seer and revelator. If this is true, then shouldn’t all he said and wrote be considered doctrine? Especially the book he titled “Mormon doctrine”? If More writings of Noah or Joseph or Isaiah were discovered, wouldn’t they be considered scripture?
Thing is though, McKonkies teachings WERE doctrine, at one point. They were the official teachings of the church. It’s not that he was wrong about church doctrine- it’s that doctrine changes. This is because doctrine is whatever the church says it is, and has no bearing in TRUTH.
If McKonkies teachings were once doctrine and now no longer are- and if doctrine isn’t based in truth, then in what world are the doctrines taught by “modern prophets” true?
Wrestling with these thoughts lately. Oftentimes I read certain scriptures or hear people talk in church (still at BYU. Still have to keep up appearances) and so many of the statements are so concerning, about belief, trust, blind faith.... people are b... keep reading on reddit ➡
I would ask how far that idea of "choices" extends. Do people with physical deformities choose their deformities? Do people with mental illnesses choose their illnesses? Do children of addicts choose their parents? Do girls raped by their fathers or brothers choose their fathers and brothers? How far do we want to say this goes?
A thought came to me recently about how our mortal journey greatly reflects the Hero's Journey. Exploring that notion brought me to the idea of how some of the "rewards/elixer" includes our physical body, along with the experiences that help us grow spiritually along the way.
However, what if another thing we take away from this life is an addition to our personality? I know some are born into this world with a love for certain things like art, reading, building, debating, etc. But what if most of our personality is constructed here on earth? It seems to me that in a state of innocence like Adam & Eve (which I assume constituted almost all of our pre-existence) we were very much like children, not very refined in our personalities aside from a few simple inclinations and a ton of potential vs very little actualization.
TL;DR: What do you think? Does most of our personality come from the pre-existence, or is who we are mostly defined a... keep reading on reddit ➡
Pretty much everything that defines modern living of the gospel.
Because that's the only logical explanation.
"...By the sixth century belief in preexistence was declared heresy. All of this is quite astonishing in view of the clear and repeated biblical evidence for preexistence."
- William de Arteaga, Past Life Visions: A Christian Exploration (New York: Seabury Press, 1983), 127
Does anyone know of any literature (official church stuff or thoughts from faithful members--or your own thoughts) related to thinking about pre-existence in relation to genetics and genetically heritable traits etc. or, relatedly, diseases (or other afflictions) that can alter a person's personality?
I've been thinking about it a bit as of late, because we have something stronger than dualism in our beliefs, the pre-existence. That is something that I am unsure of how to connect with conditions like Down's Syndrome, (lower-functioning) autism (and other neuro-atypical diagnoses), etc.
Seems like a Satanic trick. Or unrighteous dominion by false priests who oppress. Likely both.
So the valiant are born to good families and the unvaliant are born to bad families?
I grew up in Utah and was taught this. My husband grew up outside of Utah and was not taught this.
I was always frustrated with that teaching. Did that mean children who were abused by family members chose it all along? Why would I choose to have a sister that that abused me and my siblings growing up, who threatened to kill us if we told anyone?
I pushed myself to have relationships with family members I didn’t want to have relationships with, because I thought “I must have chose them for a reason, better stick this through and find out why I did.”
Just curious if anyone else was taught this too.
There he pushed the button saying blacks would be denied the priesthood. You think 38 minutes is a long time to wait for a correction? It took until 1978 to fix his error.
I gotta say one of the many upsetting things about the church's teachings for me was the idea that we had chosen in the preexistence to be part of our families—that we chose our specific parents. (I'm just realizing I haven't heard this from many people outside my own family recently, so maybe this is family specific) Before I was about 15 and had learned much about the history of the church, but after they began being extremely unreasonable in response to my becoming a teenager, I couldn't help but feel super upset with God for sending me to a family that caused me such stress. They went through a series of policies, ranging from something as humiliating as multi-hour time-outs for a teen(time-out, btw, is not recommended by the majority of psychologists for kids older than 5) , to a zero-tolerance policy where any offense was deemed worthy of punishment, which, while rarely physical, were very psychologically stressful because perfection was literally demanded.
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In order for gOD, who is all loving and all knowing, to enact this policy without putting the children he loves in danger of not being able to return to him he has been, and will continue, to send only the fiercest celestial warriors to these sadistic families.
These children are sure to be brainwashed by their evil parents and their chances of every loving the Mormon gOD are near zero. Luckily, since he is gOD, he will be able to give these children a free pass into heaven based on their pre-mortal valiance.
So actually, the new policy is evidence of gOD's infinite wisdom.