On this day in 1827, anarchist polymath Josiah Warren opened the Cincinnati Time Store, a store whose products could be purchased directly with labor power, and was one of the first applications of mutualist economic concepts.
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I want to try out a variation of Josiah Warren's Time Store experiment – I'd love to know your thoughts

Firstly, a bit about why. As an IT worker, I'm acutely aware of the exploitative nature on online gig sites. Predictably it's a race to the bottom, with ever-worsening conditions for all sorts of gig workers.

I read about the Cincinnati Time Store, and as a person just discovering the ideas of anarchism for the first time of my life, I found Warren's experiment amazing in many ways, one being how direct to praxis it went. Also, when I lived in Netherlands years ago, I was also inspired by a popular app Peerby, that was all about borrowing from other humans.

But, back to the point: what I want to do is to recreate the idea of a time store. But I don't want to let it be about money, because then I would be no different than the gig sites.

So, I want to make it about time. The easiest way to start this off would be to make all digital work interchangeable (1 hour of a designer's time = 1 hour of a developer's time). So, if you're a developer and want help with some design, you can find a peer on my site of a designer, and you can swap work hours, with you working on, for example, their portfolio site to pay back the hour of their time.

Anyways I wanted to know what y'all thought about this idea. What do you think would need to be in place to make it (above all) fair?

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How underrepresented is Josiah Warren?

I've been reading upon his activities and some of his theories and work lately. I'm curious as to why his name isn't as well known as Pierre Joseph Proudhon.

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Robert Owen and Josiah Warren, Socialism in early-19th Century America

Robert Owen was a Welsh social reformer born in 1771, and is known today as one of the founders of Utopian Socialism and as an early promoter of cooperatives. He is credited with coining the phrase "Eight hours work, eight hours recreation, eight hours rest." and was well known in both England and other countries in Europe at the time for his efforts to promote the welfare of his workers.

In 1824, he and his sons travelled to the United States and Owen had the opportunity to address the U.S. House of Representatives in 1825 on the 25th of February and the 8th of March. During these two addresses, he explained his Socialist views to the people in attendance, including the president elect at the time. These addresses are considered to be among the earliest exposures the United States had to Socialist thought and Owenism is considered to be the beginning of Socialist thinking in the Americas.

Owenism believes in cooperative communities based on communitarian principles, and was widely received by other Socialists in the U.S. who were influenced by David Ricardo's Socialism.

Additionally, Owen discussed his plans for a new community built on his Socialist philosophy known as "New Harmony", which would be settled in Indiana in 1825 by Owen and those who agreed with his philosophy. This is essential, as this community was founded by socialists and for socialists.

Among the people who arrived in New Harmony in 1825 was a man named Josiah Warren, a fellow supporter of Socialist theories who'd come to New Harmony with the intent to establish a Communist settlement with the other followers of Owen's ideas.


Owen's New Harmony and other Communities

Owen envisioned New Harmony as a "Village of Unity and Mutual Cooperation", where people worked together freely and toward a better society, and within its first year the community had amassed 1,000 people. With its openness to everyone, self-reliance, principles and ideals, it has been seen as an example of Communism.

To make a long story short, New Harmony was dissolved within three years, being dissolved in 1827. It fell apart from the inside, with no external pressures. Warren, reflecting on his time in New Harmony in a periodical published in 1856, said the following about the community:

*"It seemed that the difference of opinion, tastes and purposes increased just in proportion to the demand for conformity. Two years were worn out in this way; at the end

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Josiah Warren on "rights"

"When I use the word right, I simply mean that which leads to the object aimed at; as when we say, that is the right road to Boston. In speaking or writing of social or political rights I have always meant, and believe that I have been understood to mean, that which naturally leads to successful society; and I have defined what I mean by successful society."β€”Josiah Warren, to S.P. Andrews, 1871.

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Josiah Warren works?

So I'm trying to make an archive/library of works from different mutualists/individualist anarchists and I'm having trouble working some things out on Warren. I have:

Equitable Commerce

True Civilization an Immediate Necessity and the Last Ground of Hope for Mankind

True Civilization: A Subject of Vital Importance

Practical Applications of the Elementary Principles or True Civilization

A few questions. Are Immediate Necessity and Subject of Vital Importance two seperate books? Does one come before the other? I know Practical Applications claims to be the third volume of True Civ, so I'm wondering if these three make the whole series.

Also just wondering if there's anything important I'm missing?

Thanks.

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Anarchist Josiah Warren rejected Utopian socialist Robert Owen's New Harmony commune in Indiana as communism. What did the concept of communism mean in 1820's USA?

He further said on the commune: "those who advocated any type of communism with connected property, interests, and responsibilities were doomed to failure because of the individuality of the persons involved in such an experiment."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josiah_Warren#Owenism_and_New_Harmony

I find folks like Warren and Owen fascinating the more I read about them.

What did the "horrible" c-word mean in those days? Was it the same classless, stateless, moneyless, utopian society that it's usually described as now?

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Someone explain the difference between Marx's Labor Notes (communism) and Josiah Warren's Labor-Notes (mutualism)?

Marx: "With collective production, money-capital is completely dispensed with. The society distributes labour-power and means of production between the various branches of industry. There is no reason why the producers should not receive paper tokens permitting them to withdraw an amount corresponding to their labour time from the social consumption stocks. But these tokens are not money. They do not circulate." (Capital Vol II)

[Josiah Warren's Labor Note] (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/LaborNote.JPG)

The Communist-Anarchist Kropotkin rejected all labor notes: >How can this new form of wages, the labor note, be sanctioned by those who admit that houses, fields, mills are no longer private property, that they belong to the commune or the nation?

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Just reading about conrad Josiah Warren and his Cincinnati Time Store... en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/J…
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I want to try out a variation of Josiah Warren's Time Store experiment – I'd love to know your thoughts

Firstly, a bit about why. As an IT worker, I'm acutely aware of the exploitative nature on online gig sites. Predictably it's a race to the bottom, with ever-worsening conditions for all sorts of gig workers.

I read about the Cincinnati Time Store, and as a person just discovering the ideas of anarchism for the first time of my life, I found Warren's experiment amazing in many ways, one being how direct to praxis it went. Also, when I lived in Netherlands years ago, I was also inspired by a popular app Peerby, that was all about borrowing from other humans.

But, back to the point: what I want to do is to recreate the idea of a time store. But I don't want to let it be about money, because then I would be no different than the gig sites.

So, I want to make it about time. The easiest way to start this off would be to make all digital work interchangeable (1 hour of a designer's time = 1 hour of a developer's time). So, if you're a developer and want help with some design, you can find a peer on my site of a designer, and you can swap work hours, with you working on, for example, their portfolio site to pay back the hour of their time.

Anyways I wanted to know what y'all thought about this idea. What do you think would need to be in place to make it (above all) fair?

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