Were the Knights Templar connected to Gnosticism in any way?
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Why do you believe in Gnosticism as opposed to Christianity?

I've been studying Christianity lately and because of the nature of my personality I felt the urge to delve deeper and found Gnosticism. For me, I felt attracted to Gnosticism because it is like uncovering the secret which lays at the fundament of Christianity. I also am enclined to believe in conspiracy theories, which probably added to the favouring of Gnosticism, since it can be said early Christians conspured to suppres the knowledge and wisdom held by the Gnostics.

I wonder how others have reasoned into believing one or the other.

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Is 1 Timothy an attack on proto-gnosticism?

As per the title, I've been working my way through the New Testament and reading it with an eye to gnostic themes (or ways to interpret the text from a gnostic lens) and after finishing 1 Timothy yesterday it struck me that it could be an attack on proto-gnosticism.

In addition to its weird focus on the traditional patriarchal family structure (something which Paul didn't seem to care about, which is but one of the reasons scholars think Paul wasn't the real author of this letter), it warns against "false teachers" who preach an ascetic lifestyle. This itself isn't inherently gnostic, but when the letter ends with:

> 20 Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you. Avoid the profane chatter and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge; 21 by professing it some have missed the mark as regards the faith. (NRSV, emphasis mine)

It really does read like a potential attack on a proto-gnostic practice happening in the Ephesian church. Wikipedia indicates some scholars suppose the group being criticized may have been gnostic in nature. Is 1 Timothy opposed to gnosticism broadly, or specifically the very ascetic type that may have been practiced in Ephesus at the time (forbidding marriage, abstaining from wine and animal foods)?

Edit: fixed a typo

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Books involving Gnosticism / the Gnostic Gospels

I recently read Philip K. Dick’s VALIS and found the parts about the Gnostics very interesting. Then, completely coincidentally, the next book I read - Steven Hall’s Maxwell’s Demon also heavily featured Gnostic ideas. I’ve since picked up some scholarly texts on the Gnostics (namely the Nag Hammadi Scriptures) but this is all obviously very dense, so I’m interested in finding more science fiction that deals with Gnosticism in the plot.

I believe The Da Vinci Code is an obvious choice for this, but I’m not terribly interested in reading it unless you lot convince me otherwise.

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Origins of Gnosticism?

Hello! I was pleased to find that there's a subreddit like this one. I used to have a personal interest in Gnosticism years ago and more recently was reminded of this after watching a miniseries that included the Cathars and their persecution during the Albigensian crusade. I am also friends with a few members of the Apostolic Johannite Church.

According to scholarship, what was the origin of gnosticism in the ancient world? Did it exist in Judaism before Christianity? I am curious whether there was an original gnostic sect or sects and what their beliefs and teachings were, if this can be known.

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Can anyone point me to a not too dense book about Gnosticism that isn't woo and strange?

That really. Gnosticism as in history and the roots of it. (I'm looking myself but it seems it's a bit of a woo term these days (and not interested in that) so getting a good book about the facts and history is difficult to find.)

I want to understand a bit more about John's Gospel by understanding more about Gnosticism.

Thanks. And thanks again for other answers when I've asked about things here before. You lot are amazing!

Edit: Delivered as ever! Thank you everyone! Amazoning imminently!

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High quality books on Gnosticism for beginners?
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I Just found out about Gnosticism

Well I’ve heard of it but never knew what it I meant. I saw a viral video on tiktok and found it interesting but it left me with a few questions. What was the point of the true source to create a demiurge? How can the creator of this universe be imprisoned by its own creation?What it in its plan to ever create us in the first place? If heaven is not the purpose of the afterlife, then what is the purpose of going back to the true source? Is it just to simply to exist in eternity?

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Influence of Gnosticism and / or Manichaeism on Muhammad/Islam?

I've been thinking about this for a while now and I wanted to get you guys' thoughts on this: what influence if any did Gnostic beliefs and Manichaeism have on the formation of Islam?

I mean, the thing about Jesus not dying and his death being an illusion sounds an awful lot like the Gnostic Apocalypse of Peter and the Second Treatise of the Great Seth to me. I know that at least in the second century there was some gnostics that existed in Arabia, but I wonder if there were any groups who believed similar things like in those texts I mentioned that were around during the time of Mohammed.

Plus, the whole thing about God Mary and Jesus being part of a triad sounds a lot like the Gnostic formulations about the Father, the Mother and the Son. And the fact that Jesus is called a spirit from God also calls to mind references to the archons in various Gnostic divinities (Jesus was believed to be a supernatural being come to Earth in most gnostic religions).

And then I honestly wonder if Manichaeism may have influenced Islam. The fact that it treats some previous religions as valid and appeals to their various Prophets and leaders as teachers of Islam has me wondering. How widespread was that religion in Arabia at mohammed's time?

What you think of this?

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Gnosticism beyond Middle Platonism?

I think it's pretty commonplace to say that early Gnosticism emerged out of a synthesis of Jewish/Christian theology and Middle Platonism; certainly in terms of the emanationist metaphysics of divine hypostases and the strong matter-critical demiurge-theologies. It's especially the latter which have become the defining feature of "Gnosticism" as we commonly think of it, in a way cementing that Middle Platonist Gnostic Christian union - even more so in the Medieval period, when all the alternative Late Antique Gnosticisms (Neoplatonizing Sethianism, Aristotelian-Epicurean Bardaisanism, arguably Carpocratians and Simonians with their unique blends) just weren't there any more.

So what do y'all think about bringing them back? Or doing Gnosticism outside of Platonism, even outside of Hellenistic/European philosophical frames (arguably like Manichaeism, and maybe Mandaeism)?

It seems to me that the various Modern Gnostic Churches (the ones which continue to last) have pretty solid Neoplatonist bases, usually by way of Hermeticism. There's no shortage of philosophical options. But there is also no shortage of people genuinely resonating with Middle Platonism and its understanding of matter and evil. How do you feel about the various (attempted and possible) philosophical combinations for the future of Gnosticism?

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What drove you towards Gnosticism?

Hey guys, I’m new to this subreddit and I’m currently exploring my spirituality.

In a time where spirituality seems to be declining at least in my generation, what drove you towards Gnosticism?

As a former Roman Catholic, I find it interesting to learn how early Christians expressed their beliefs and this revealed to me that the early Church was much less orthodox than it is right now. I also like how Gnosticism is anti materialistic. I feel like in our society we spend too much time chasing material things whenever the things that will make us feel happy are not material.

I feel like Christian Gnosticism can play a major part in reawakening the spirituality that I feel Millennials and Zoomers have lost due to the social rigidness / stagnation of β€œmainstream” churches.

I believe that Gnosticism presents an opportunity for millions of former Christians to reexplore their spirituality.

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A friend had me on his podcast where talked about Gnosticism. Feel free to check it out! youtu.be/PB4VBkjf8_U
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Whatever Happened to the β€œHermetic” Gnosticism flair?

I feel like it reflects my perspective the most, possibly even more than β€œEclectic,” but I’d like to know why the flair was erased if it was, since I can’t seem to edit it back.

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So I decided to start searching about Aether since I'm done with some of my theories with Dainsleif and Albedo I just found that Aether is a powerful God. Any of you have thoughts? Since genshin lore is inspired by Gnosticism and Mythologies. reddit.com/gallery/mfyowg
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A friend of mine is doing a podcast series on Gnosticism. Upcoming episodes will include Elaine Pagels, Bart Ehrman, and David Braake. Feel free to check it out! podcasts.apple.com/us/pod…
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The New Gnosticism: The Philosopher Eric Voegelin Finds an Old Christian Heresy To Be Very Much Alive crisismagazine.com/1990/t…
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It's scientology just repackaged Gnosticism?

And by repackaged, I mean they just added space opera flourishes and mathematical demarcation to existing Gnosticism.

Consider:

Scientology OTIII Xenu/Space Opera wherein a false god makes the universe and then traps Thetans in a mountain on earth.

Gnostic creation myth wherein a false god makes material reality tapping the free floating souls in the material reality.

How is hylic, the "lowest order of the three types of human. Unable to be saved since their thinking is entirely material, incapable of understanding the gnosis," not just a 1.1 on the tone scale?

How is a Thetan not just a "psychic" per Gnosticism, which is a matter dwelling spirit?

It's well known that L. Rob Hubbard was involved in Thelema prior to developing dianetics, and Hermeticism runs tandem with Gnosticism both in terms of themes and in history. Hermetic texts were found along side Gnostic texts in the Nag Hammadi library, for example.

Also, the emphasis of dealing with your feelings regarding what most people would regard as sins by a steady habit of auditing in scientology is very much parallel to Gnosticism's idea of dealing with the underlying motivation behind transgressions instead of dealing with transgressions directly.

Has this been discussed before? Is scientology just repackaged Gnosticism?

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What is Gnosticism? And what did the ancient Gnostics believe? The Archons and the Anunnaki. youtu.be/wk1HbczvBF8
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Pre-Christian Christ Gnosticism

I have been reading and digesting a 2011 series of blog-posts by Neil Godfrey at Vridar about concepts about Pre-Christian Christ Gnosticism outlined in Walter Schmithals 1971 book, Gnosticism in Corinth.

I've condensed it to a single reddit post thus (as a prelude to reading Schmithals and others on this).

1. Schmithals describes some Jewish Gnostic systems as similar to & related to the Simonians thought-world and shows how they embraced a Christ idea that was quite unlike the concept of Christ in the later (more-Christian-like) Gnostic thought. Schmithals showed a Jewish Christ which was reinterpreted to the Primal Man or 'the Great Power' that generated all. The primal man myth held that all individuals are parts of the one heavenly figure.

Schmithals begins with a discussion of the thought system of Simon (Simon Magus in Acts) as described by Hippolytus and presents a number of reasons to think that what Hippolytus is depicting is, rather, very earlyβ€”pre-Christianβ€”Jewish Gnosticism.” Schmithals argues that the thought system of the Simonions was itself pre-Christian and so was the 'Apophasis Megale', aka the β€œGreat Revelation,” that was said to have been written by Simon and which was so important to his followers. What Hippolytus says is incompatible with the accounts of others like Irenaeus and Justin: Schmithals argued that those accounts describe a later form of Simonian thought which had been influenced by Christianity. Though, on the contrary, other scholars such as Birger Pearson, Ancient Gnosticism, have dismissed the account of Hippolytus as a description of a much later β€” very post-Christian β€” development of Simon’s thought.

2. In a brief second post, Godfrey notes in the Apophasis Megale (the Great Revelation), which Hippolytus refers to [or cites?], Simon is said to have spoken with divine authority:

>β€œTo you then I speak what I speak and write what I write. The writing is this. His authority is of the great power in general, which he himself is as well.”

Here, the highest being of all is the Power, δύναμις / Dynamis β€” and this same δύναμις is also found in all mankind β€œas potentiality” β€” and so in Simon. As Schmithal's put it:

>If a man by virtue of his Dynamis leads other men to the actualization of their Dynamis-Self, this on

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Resources Needed: Esotericism, Gnosticism, and the Christian Life

I need some help and feel like I don’t have the resources to handle this one. I have a cousin who lives a lifestyle that we would generously call β€˜unusual’ but perhaps less generously understand to be lost. He lives in his suburban full time, smokes pot daily, and struggles with obsessive compulsive disorder, in my assessment. My family’s background is confessionally reformed - URCNA and CRCNA. The family has worked with him for many years with no success, and now simply accepts that he is lost and it will take an act of God to restore him to right mind and spirit. All communication with him is done via text, and this is an intermittent event that will come in batches as it suits him. He reached out to me a few days back with some ramblings about the Covid vaccine and how he suspected it to be the mark of the beast and a weapon of Satan to destroy humanity. When I engaged with him, he explained that he has, in recent years, come to understand the Bible as true and reliable (this is a departure from his previous position) and that the Bible is truth. When I asked how he came to believe this, he explained that he learned this through astral projection, meditation, and visions of the spiritual realm that proved to him that it was so. After further discussion, it appears to me that he has come to believe in his experiences with meditation are what he primarily understands as truth, which support his understanding that scripture is a sort of secondary truth. This seems to me to be a modern Gnosticism or western esotericism...and I have no idea how to work with this. He contends that he has seen the spiritual realm and is understanding the world on a different level than everyone else, which is why he lives his unique lifestyle. He also contends that he has no mental disorder and that he simply sees the world more completely than everyone else. While I am appreciative that he affirms scripture to be true, I am not persuaded that he is a believer, nor am I sure how to proceed and what resources I might be able to use that address this blend of western esotericism and Christianity. So...

  1. Is this Gnosticism? It is, right? If so, I know the church has dealt with this before but what resources are reliable out there?
  2. How should I come to understand the state of his soul? What questions should I be asking?
  3. How do I convert his affirmation of scripture into an acknowledgment of Christ’s lordship? Any other insights here would be welcome. I can’t be the first
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(NO TRADCATHS!!) What do you people think of Gnosticism?

I see a surprising amount of theological discussion here, so I was curious about redscarepod's thoughts on Gnosticism. I find some of the ideas -- chiefly the Sethian (I think!) idea that the Old Testament God is a different and lesser being than the New Testament God. It makes the Bible make a lot more sense, IMO.

Maybe I'm r-worded, though.

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Mormon thoughts on Christian Gnosticism?

Curious what you think about them.

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Why don’t the meanings of gnosticism and agnosticism correspond?

So gnosticism is a set of beliefs that say salvation is possible through achieving some secret knowledge of the universe (I hope I got that correct, please correct me if I was wrong). But agnosticism is defined as not denying nor believing in the existence of a god, or believing that its impossible to truly know if there is a god. Wouldn’t it make more sense for an agnostic to be defined as someone who doesn’t follow gnostic beliefs? Or am I missing something?

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Gnosticism in contemporary fiction and cinema.

The matrix was one of my favorite movies when I was younger and still is. I recently read V.a.l.i.s by Philip k. Dick and loved it. Maybe even the Truman show has a strong gnostic theme of living in a constructed sub-reality and trying to contact something real. I’m wondering if your beautiful beings of Reddit can suggest more fiction or cinema with gnostic themes or motifs.

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Gnosticism and Neoplatonism Thread: Some problems

Here are some thoughts on a recent thread that came up, and I would love to get people's takes because it's an area of study where I am writing my main research for a degree in the US. If people have objections, I would like to hear them. Here is the thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/classics/comments/m9fqcm/book_suggestions_for_somebody_interested_in/

Okay, this is probably a dead thread and I may catch some heat for this, but I would say that if you really want to get to where the scholarly consensus is on Neoplatonism and Gnosticism, you should take a look at the following recent pieces of research on the topic. I will start with Gnosticism, because it is a more easily discussed topic and fits a bit more within my realm of knowledge.

Gnosticism, per the more recent studies in the field, has lost favor as a category. Period. When people talk about Gnosticism, they are really talking about different Christian heretical groups like the Sethians, or followers of Christian heretics like Valentinus and Basilides. Scholars like Hans Jonas are a bit "left behind" in this period of scholarship on Late Antique Christianity. That is not to say that these people have nothing to contribute, or that their ideas were wrong, but rather that the characterization "Gnosticism" is no longer really a popular one, but rather a problematic category which aggregates many contradictory ideas in the realm of Christian unorthodoxy. So proceed with caution. For more on this subject, see:

David Brake, β€œSelf-Differentiation among Christian Groups: The Gnostics and Their Opponents,” in The Cambridge History of Christianity: Volume 1: Origins to Constantine, ed. Frances M. Young and Margaret M. Mitchell, vol. 1, Cambridge History of Christianity (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2006), 245–60, https://doi.org/10.1017/CHOL9780521812399.014;

Karen L. King, What Is Gnosticism? (Cambridge, MA: Belknap Press of Harvard University Press, 2003);

Michael Allen Williams, Rethinking β€œGnosticism” an Argument for Dismantling a Dubious Category (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 2001), {"http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.2307/j.ctt7tbrf":["www.jstor.org"]}.

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Gnosticism in finale of season 1

Spoilers I guess, if people haven't finished season one.

Did anyone catch the gnostic references in season 1? The way out of the wall is behind an illuminati capstone made out of sheets. This is a reference to how (in Gnostic belief) there's a way out of reality, as articulated in the Flammarion Engraving.

https://imgur.com/gallery/JKYb3XF/comment/310649148

The idea is that the knowledge that there's a way out is being kept from us by a certain group (illuminati) who want to rule over us in this world. Tim discovers this truth and decides to rule over the wall as opposed to seek enlightenment (choosing to be a big fish in a small pond as opposed to becoming a small fish in a more expansive ocean)

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Gnosticism and Healing #mysticism #newage #occult

From the orthodox or conventional forms of Christianity, we understand that the Messiah who is the son of God came purposely to forgive us our β€œsin”, the dismissing of negative karma- he will come to sacrifice himself for the sake of remission of sin, the opposite of karma that connects souls, so as whosoever has faith in him as the Messiah may be pardoned and set free consequently receiving eternal life.

For sure, there is some sense of truth in this. Still, from a Gnostic point of view, there is something quite important in the Devine Incarnation- the said Messiah is not just the Savior who delivers souls from sin or negative karma. It is also the Gnostic Revealer and the teacher of self-realization and wisdom.

According to orthodox or major forms of Christianity, the Messiah is indeed the son of God who appears to deliver us from sin and the miracles he does are to prove that he is, really, the Son of God. Gnostic Christianity nevertheless takes a bit different view. In both Christian Kabbalah and Christian Gnosticism, the power and presence of the Divine embraced in Yeshua Messiah is inside us all, therefore, observing the living power and presence included in him, the Messiah, our actual nature and essence our actual being, is unveiled to us- he appears to exhibit our true being because we are in God. Similarly, teaching and performing miracles, he reveals our hereditary unity with the origin of our being, God, and he shows the real nature of the truth of our experience.

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In a way of speaking, from a Gnostic perspective, Yeshua can be compared to a lucid dreamer who gets into the common dream we term like β€œreality” and the β€œworld” for the sake of awakening us so that we could become lucid in the dream as well. Actually, in the action of radical wonderworking he does, he shows that we are quite interconnected with the presence of our existence and its source. Also, he reveals that the truth of our existence is β€œdream-like,” this is simply to state that it is a magical or radiant display of our individual mind, soul or consciousness.

Gnostic Healing.

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Hoeller and Limitations of Traditional Gnosticism to Today

I started to read through Stephan Hoeller's The Gnostic Jung this week. So far I finished the first chapter where he talks all about Jung and Gnosticism before addressing the seven sermons in the rest of the book. There is a lot in this first chapter to think on, particularly on Hoeller's approach to Gnosticism which I found hinted at in his book Gnosticism, but is much clearer here.

I am troubled by on his tight connection between Gnosticism and the pansophic tradition. I guess my concern is that he may be submersing Gnosticism within the pansophic tradition (pansophic being his choice of words but it seems like its a different term for the Western Esoteric tradition?). I see Gnosticism as an influence on western esoterism, a big one, but have maintained that they are separate. To submerse it within the esoteric tradition does it a disservice in my mind as it loses its distinctiveness. I'm not opposed to development, even some level of syncretism within modern Gnosticism, but when I see linking together different groups and people historically to Gnosticism I see flashes of The Trail of Blood idea from fundamentalist Christianity.

That all aside, the reason I started this post is actually to ask about the following quote from Hoeller from page 33 of The Gnostic Jung:

>Fascinating as inspiring though it is, the old Gnosticism of 1700 years ago labors under some obvious limitations when its applicability to contemporary spiritual problems is considered.

I'm not sure I agree with him on this, or at least I wouldn't be a strong in that assertion as he is because I'm not clear on what "obvious" problems he is referring to (since they are obvious to him I do not think he expands on them in the text). I don't think he's talking about the cosmology of Gnosticism which modern people see as archaic and contemporary Gnosticis often treat as symbolism (Which I think is keeping within the tradition) because he uses the term "spiritual problems" which to me refer to world and personal events and situations which trouble the soul E.G the climate crisis or cold war causing despair and loss of hope. If that is the case, I don't immediately see "obvious" things that Gnosticism cannot speak to. Am I understanding what Hoeller is saving correctly? Am I missing obvious things? Do others agree with Hoeller here or find this assertion strange as well?

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Gnosticism Explained: Anticosmicism (Gnostic Dualism) gnosticismexplained.org/a…
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A friend had me on his podcast where talked about Gnosticism and psychoanalysis. Feel free to check it out! youtu.be/PB4VBkjf8_U
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Been studying Gnosticism and included a book from the gospel of Thomas this week. I’m finding many of these Nag Hammadi texts to be similar to neoplasticism. Thought I’d share! youtu.be/Zg3Gc66gLWQ
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After Gnosticism was declared heretical and fell out of favor, did it ever have any surges in popularity over the centuries?
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Is demiurge the same as satan in Gnosticism?

I'm reading Benjamin Walker's primer on Gnosticism right now, and so far I'm rather confused about the relationship between Yahweh, demiurge, and Satan. In some places it appears Satan is conceived as distinct from the demiurge (ie. when satan is referred to as the "god of air" and demiurge the god of earth iirc), but still the book never really makes a clear distinction between the roles of Satan and the demiurge.

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Celestia's Truth and Lies. Gnosticism/Visions [Genshin Theory Video]

https://preview.redd.it/873oysmjfap61.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=bd63e290f5ededb6d49e442249c7c708c51a0150

Full Video: https://youtu.be/jqyWMId7x7c

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Hello everyone!

This is my third episode of the 4-part Genshin Impact Theory I've been working on.

This video discusses my theory on Celestia's truth and lies, using Gnosticism as a reference as well as couple other findings from real world references.

With Patch 1.4 (Dainsleif's Quest), just around the corner, I hope we are able to answer some questions for the story of the game!

If you have time, please take a look!
Any constructive feedback is REALLY appreciated!

Thank you!

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