Containers were stuck at port during strike. Now ship line wants $20,000 in Demurrage?!

So I work for a steel importer and we had 8 containers arrive at the Port of Montreal right when their labor strike started in late July. Since the Port was effectively closed we could not pick up our containers within the 14 days of free time and they went into demurrage.

As soon as the strike ended we had our containers picked up an returned within a couple of days. However now MSC is sending us demurrage invoices totalling ~$20,000.

I'm wondering if anyone else has had a similar experience or has any advice.

Thanks!!

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I want to pay demurrage every blessed day youtu.be/7YdKZCrfRK8
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The A,B,C of a Scandal 2 months of hard work was put into this investigative piece.. since Baltic MT was denied access to unload the Fuel Oil destined for Lebanon. The country has to pay over a million dollars in demurrage fees to Sonatrach's SPC BVI twitter.com/Leila1H/statu…
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Demurrage Charges/Fees Due to COVID-19 Delays?

I assume that at least some folks on here have already dealt with delays in shipping product(s) directly or indirectly to COVID-19. Was curios to hear if anyone has been billed for demurrage, detention and/or other fees associated with this? And the approach that carriers have been dealing with the situation as a whole?

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What companies include a Demurrage for their Owner Operators?

I'm trying to find companies for a relative. EVERY time he finds a high paying load, they either cancel it or take 3 or more hours to unload his truck!

What he carries in his truck I'm not sure but, I believe it to be a dry van.

Currently, I'm searching on JB Hunt for Owner Operator positions to see if they offer this.

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Demurrage-Detention Charges/Fees Due to COVID-19 Pandemic Delays?

I assume that at least some folks on here have already dealt with delays in shipping product(s) directly or indirectly caused by the COVID-19 Pandemic? Was curious to hear if anyone has been billed for demurrage, detention and/or other fees associated with this? And the approach that carriers have been dealing with the situation as a whole?

Am in the process of drafting a blog post on this topic. It seems like this Pandemic is the largest disruption for logistics and transportation since the 2014-2015 West Coast Port Labor Slowdown. The difference is that this one is likely worldwide. Already heard a report from someone shipping personal belongings from Australia to the UK being told to expect delays due to the Pandemic.

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COVID-19 and Demurrage, Detention and Related Shipping and Transportation Fees jfmlaw.org/post/covid-19-…
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Decentralised ecosystem with embedded UBI non demurrage

I'm thinking of starting a DAO (paid with a erc20 coin transferrable for income producing coins in the created environment) to create a decentralised platform with a 50k UBI. Each person would start with 75k then 10% of each transaction is burnt. The UBI is paid equivalent to what is burnt up to 50k per person per annum. A sump collects the rest and act as a money supply regulator.

It will have multiple interoperable chains covering transactions, land registry, liquid democracy, identity, and smart contracts.

Is anyone interested in helping?

The platform is based on my book Fluidity - the way to true demokratia.

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How does BSV prevent hoarding(HODLing) w/o demurrage fees and deflationary scheme?

I am drawn to BSV's cash/utility use-case and believe the BTCs HODL digital-gold use-case is a complete sham.

However for any sound money I understand (from below) demurrage and/or inflation is essential.

But how does BSV address this?

>Gresham's law that "bad money drives out good" suggests that demurrage fees would mean that a currency would suffer more rapid circulation than competing forms of currency. This led some such as German-Argentine economist Silvio Gesell to propose demurrage as a means of increasing both the velocity of money and overall economic activity.
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— Silvio Gesell, β€œThe Natural Economic Order”
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>"Both inflation and demurrage reduce the purchasing power of money held over time"

Does the proposal to salvage burnt/lost coins have anything to do with the above?

https://medium.com/@craig_10243/fixing-op-fals-fd157899d2b7

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Stablecoin based on demurrage?

It seems like stablecoins aiming to peg themselves to, say, USD essentially fall into three approaches:

  1. Centralized currency board maintaining 1:1 link with fiat, like in TrueUSD or Tether. This obviously works as long as you trust the centralized party, and is the most reliable way to peg real world currencies like the HKD to the USD.
  2. Collateralized debt with reserves denominated in virtual assets, like Dai
  3. Algorithmic central bank, like Basis, with no concept of reserves. Basically tries to be the Fed except implemented as a smart contract.

It's often claimed that algorithmic central banks are the most flexible since black swan crashes in asset backings do not cause issues, and they can theoretically target any exchange rate with anything, including things like baskets of goods. (Aside: I find this highly suspect. Taken to the logical extreme Basis can target a perfectly oscillating sine wave of prices so that everybody can buy low and sell high and get free money, which is obviously false. I am not really knowledgeable enough to know where exactly the argument that anything can be targeted fails though)

The main problem with algorithmic central banks seems to be that without reserves, it's hard to defend a peg when the market price of the coin drops. When the price is higher than the peg the smart contract can simply give everybody helicopter money to drop the price, but if the price is too low there's little that can be done. Basis claims that selling discounted bonds payable only if the peg is restored somehow fixes this, but I remain skeptical --- it seems to imply Venezuela can somehow borrow its way out of hyperinflation using cleverly designed bonds, which seems absurd.

However, I wonder whether or not there's an obviously robust solution to fixing algorithmic-central-bank stablecoins --- demurrage, basically a negative interest rate. Imagine I make a stablecoin called PUSD, for Perishable USD, as a token with an algorithmic central bank running on an Ethereum smart contract. Like with any other algorithmic central bank, we print helicopter money if the price (based on some median of oracles) is too high.

However, every year 5% of every PUSD account balance disappears into thin air. Essentially, this means there will always be demand for freshly printed PUSD. Even if everybody dumps PUSD and the price tanks, eventually the dumped pile will get exponentially small, so that eventually PUSD becomes scarce and the tiny number of "sur

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SCP-2566: Demurrage scp-wiki.net/scp-2566
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jgarzik plans to add demurrage to Bitcoin? "Charge x time, and expire after that. Pay to extend expiration if needed." twitter.com/jgarzik/statu…
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Demurrage Charges/Fees Due to COVID-19 Delays?

Was wondering if anyone is having issues with demurrage charges/fees resulting from delays associated with COVID-19?

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