Wokeness can be defined as a philosophy with the central belief that advocacy for those innately less endowed than oneself is righteous; and from my perspective, it’s a direct philosophical descendant of Calvinism.
It can be observed that everywhere Wokeness is culturally prevalent, there’s also a historical Calvinist cultural influence; and the correlation is quantitatively proportional. In other words, the more that a culture has been influenced by Calvinism in the past, the more woke it’s likely to be today. Case in point, Wokeness is by far the most prevalent in the US, it’s point of origin, which happens to be the country historically most associated with Puritanism, a particularly extreme form of Calvinism. Furthermore, Wokeness has only seemed to spread as a philosophy where there’s a Calvinist cultural undercurrent; in other words, you’re more likely to find people who are receptive to woke philosophy in places like New Zealand and South Korea than you are in Japan or Russia.
It’s worth noting that Wokeness is an entirely secular philosophy, it’s neither a religion nor a political ideology. What’s interesting about these types of philosophies is the fact that they can serve an interchangeable role with religion from a psychological point of view. In other words, Wokeness can be contrasted with philosophies such as Individualism, Absurdism, and Epicureanism, not ideologies such as Socialism, Fascism, and Liberalism. In a nutshell, it’s possible to live your personal life in accordance with a philosophy or religion, but not a mere ideology. We can also say that all religions are philosophies, but not all philosophies are religions; by comparison, ideologies are not standalone philosophies.
Calvinism and Wokeness both operate on guilt based morality (Nietzschean resentment), rather than that of honour (Nietzchean sentiment). The two philosophies also imply that all individuals are born sinful (though wokeness professes that sinfulness is proportional to endowment, which must be compensated for with advocacy for those innately less endowed). Furthermore, both philosophies are puritanical and totalistic in nature; no amount of heresy or blasphemy is tolerated, and one must judge everything, however minor, through the lens of the philosophy wherever it’s possible to do so.
Wokeness is ultimately a philosophical reaction to Secular Humanism, which is a reaction to Evangelicalism, which ultimately stems from Calvinism. The culture behind these philosop... keep reading on reddit ➡
Both HA and Calvinism seem to acknowledge that salvation/becoming awake in the dreamstate can not be due to free will. There apparently are some branches of Protestantism that state that it is apparent if someone is going to heaven by their success in worldly affairs; the life of a HA looks pretty great when contrasted to that of human children; the HA interesting lifestyle seems necessary (but not sufficient) to be HA.
I’m wondering if someone with an understanding of Calvinism/Protestantism is able to better illustrate the similarities/differences to HA (unfortunately this question popped into my mind and I while am curious I have little knowledge of traditional religion).
Edit: Any other traditional or not so traditional religion compared to HA would be appreciated here.
The reason for the title is the following. Calvinism, while there's nothing that obliges it to be so, mostly goes hand in hand with presuppositionalism and simply put it the idea that:
"You don't believe in our doctrine? Well this is because you hate Christ"
"No, I don't, I don't even..."
"Yes you do, you do, don't you? You really hate him"
Calvin and Calvinism, reformed theology in general concentrated of those ideas and verses like "Nobody can come to me unless my father draws them to me" John 6:44, giving raise to idea that if you believe, it's because God worked in you.
The real problem comes in how does goes into practice? Because people will become obsessed with the idea that if they sin, it means they don't really believe, or if someone doesn't believe it's because they are still in the devil's arms, etc.
i think it just creates this craving for knowing "am I really among the choose ones? ". I think as every other world view, they are aware of their own weaknesses and have ways to mitigate this.
But I really saw some people who have this superior, condescending attitude towards other Christians and atheists, where the reason everyone else doesn't believe and see the world the way they do, it's because they are so precious because God has specifically draw them near, while you are a pagan.
Hello. I can’t believe I found this sub and I have so many questions for y’all because I’m starting to question Calvinism.
I would first like to say that I still very much believe in God so please be respectful of that as I’m still having a hard time navigating other things to the point that it’s led me into depression.
Before I was introduced to Calvinism, I was not in any other specific denomination. I just started to believe in God and the Bible. During this time, my faith was so strong, I had so much joy and felt fulfilled in life. I had a deep compassion for people and loved serving others in any way that I could. I honestly felt like I had a personal relationship with God.
As I became encouraged to study the Bible on a more deeper level, a friend introduced me to Calvinism and invited me to her church. Their teachings started to “logically” make sense to me and it seemed very intellectual which I liked. After about a year, I realized that the people at this church came off as very uncompassionate and unloving towards anyone that didn’t agree with their doctrine. They were always heresy hunting, and would give us a list of Pastors that we shouldn’t listen to. I mean I always understood to stay away from the extreme heresies like prosperity gospel and such, but they were crossing out people for the littlest of things that it started becoming too much, and like a witch hunt. They always emphasized on preaching the gospel but it’s like they really didn’t care about people’s salvation as much as they cared proving people wrong through their constant arrogant and prideful theological debates. I still can’t wrap my head around the concept of the elect. I started to grow cold towards people and definitely no longer had that compassion I once had. I noticed that I personally felt farther away from God and like I couldn’t have a personal relationship with Him anymore because of all the things I started learning. The church always made you feel like a depraved wretched sinner undeserving of anything. So, I didn’t even bother praying anymore plus if everything was predestined anyway then it felt useless for me to pray. I had become depressed and cold hearted, and I don’t feel as if I like the Calvinist God. I feel no relationship to Him and I’m just turning into a person I don’t want to be. There’s so many questions that run through my mind about Calvinism but I have no one who understand enough to tell all my feelings to. It confuses and frustrates me, but... keep reading on reddit ➡
There is a "Calvinist" movement within the Assemblies of God. I know is growing in Brazil and some parts of the USA. Does anybody have any specific information/feedback re: this
I am starting to realize how downright evil Calvinism is. I am surprised so many people believe in Calvinist theology. As an ex-Calvinist, what draws people to believe such a horrible PSYCOPATHIC belief?
I thought it was common knowledge that the story of Jesus dying on the cross was for the sins of the whole world. I know there are many clear verses in the Bible that state this.
I guess what I’m so hung up on is the fact that this form of Christianity has so many followers when it is cultic. I don’t mean to offend any ex-Calvinists here but can anyone give me some insight on what attracted you to it? Were you brought up in it? What did the elders tell you if you questioned the coldbloodedness of the beliefs and the fact that the Bible says:
1 John 2:2  And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 Timothy 4:10  For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
Titus 2:11  For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
1 John 4:14  And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
Has anyone had any experience showing these verses to a Calvinist elder? I guess what they would do is manipulate/gaslight YOU by telling YOU that you are the one who doesn’t understand the verse and somehow make those verses mean something different than what they clearly state.
I also notice that these Calvinist elders are very scholarly and intellectual. How can such a demented con artist promote himself as an intellectual when his own book is clearly against his doctrine?
Ok, I honestly wonder why I’m making this post, but as someone who likes to write as a hobby, I’ve been thinking a lot about Calvinism by itself, and universalist Calvinism/ Concordant theology.
Calvin described God as not being a God of love but a Hod of hate, his love is only how he is experienced by the elect.
I can’t explain why, but Calvinism by itself seems like the abusive bad boy of Christianity. I get how that’s weird, but as someone who now also believes in predestination universalism, I think universalism has completely redeemed predestination for me, and Calvinism as well.
I obviously may be wrong, but I feel really inspired knowing that God has had the script in hand since the beginning, and obviously not all questions have been answered but universalist Calvinism makes the most sense to me.
Been thinking about this over the past few days as I have been considering writing an open letter to a certain well-known Calvinist pastor. Calvinism is atrocious, hurtful theology. If Calvinism was true and people really were being created with the sole purpose of torturing them, I wouldn't want anything to do with it.
Sometimes calling out bullshit as bullshit is necessary.
I don't know if calvinism is true or not but the thing i don't understand is if it is true then doesn't that mean that false teachers don't actually cause anyone to go to hell? If a athiest causes someone to stop being a christian and they never repent doesn't that just mean they were never going to be saved anyway? It seems to me that false teachers would be more evil in a free will view.
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I posted this question earlier but due to some bad wording and some misunderstanding from commenters my actual question wasn’t really answered.
Basically: How should we view arminians and others who says things like “The God of Calvinism is a monster that I could never worship”?
Now, I understand that statements like this are made out of ignorance and should be taken with a grain of salt, but still, to make statements like that about God (well, according to our interpretation of the Scriptures) must still be considered to be problematic.
How should we then view it and treat it? I have encountered this a few times, and have basically encouraged them to be careful about what the say about God, even if they don’t agree with some certain theology. Most arminians I know (and that’s pretty much all the Christians that are in my circles) wouldn’t say something like this. Some will though, and I want to know how to best deal with it. In my flesh (I suppose), I’m really upset about statements like this, and though I don’t show it to others, I guess I also want to know how to best react emotionally sort to speak. Should this upset me, or am I being silly?
Note that I’m not at all arguing that arminians are damned. I myself was a regenerate believer for years before getting hold of the Reformed faith. Understand that this is not the purpose of this post. Salvation is not by perfect theology (as no one would be saved if that was the standard) but by faith in Christ.
I’m also sorry about how my old post came off. I suppose it seemed like I was yet another hyper-Calvinist claiming that whoever doesn’t believe exactly like me is damned lol. I tried to build up a line of thought by making a statement and then following the response to that, which understandably came off in the wrong way. Yet again, I’m sorry about that.
I've always been confused about the topic of free will, and in my searching I've come across some Presbyterian teachers (love listening to Bruce Gore) who touch upon Calvinism.
But some fundamental questions I've been struggling with since the start remain:
I have a hard time understanding how God can be upset at anything that happens, upset at the actions of people, so grieved by evil, if he preordained it all. I look at our existence through a lens of causality: everything has been set up from the start to flow in a certain direction, as God knew in the beginning how everything would turn out, yet he designed it this way.
This is from the perspective of a writer and programmer. We carefully design these characters, worlds, and systems to meet our intended design. But not once have I been upset at any of my creations; they are just acting according to how I designed them, and if I don't like it I change things.
The closest I've found in the scripture that comes to addressing this is Romans 9:19-21, which unfortunately takes a position of authority to essentially dismiss the question. Does anyone have a better explanation of this?
Where did evil and sin come from? The Calvinistic viewpoint is that God is not the author or evil or sin, that is of the Devil and Man. But how could that be if everything is preordained? Isn't the implication that God created Satan and Man not only knowing they would fall into evil, but of a certain character and circumstance so that they would fall into evil? How isn't this a contradiction?
So I'll start with a recent experience I had which really threw me for a loop.
So I'm sitting at a table with a group of acquaintances, and the topic of Calvinism comes up.
"So you're a Calvinist?" One of the women responds with ridicule, then proceeds with "well, I'm Mennonite, so your people murdered my people." I was quite taken aback, because I have never heard of any history of Mennonites being murdered by Calvinists. On the humorous side, I am descended from the Amish- so for her to bunch me in with a theological group hundreds of years ago vs the common ancestry that we shared within two generations was quite hilarious.
I proceeded to try to research this further, as well as the many claims made against Calvin being a killer, and to be quite honest, have come up quite empty handed- other than the situation with Servetus- which seems to have been debunked.
So my question is- does anyone have any recommendations for resources on a comprehensive history on Calvinism and these allegations being made against them?
And if these allegations are false, why do they exist in the first place? An attempt by theological opponents to smear his name to stigmatize the theology?