Why is the fangirling for Joe controversial but not the fangirling for Erik from The Phantom of The Opera which happens a lot more?

Joe fangirls defending him has always been a controversy. A yandere simp who murders innocent people and stalks and manipulates girls to be his romantic partners and for their lives to bend to his direction getting defended as just a romantic guy is pretty terrible right? Understandable that it's a controversy.

... But what I find interesting is that this exact situation has happened before and is still happening and unlike with Goldberg, in this case there is no media shitstorm about it. I am talking about of course like I said, The Phantom of The Opera.

Phantom of The Opera is a musical that follows a man known as "The Phantom of The Opera" who lives under an opera house and stalks one of the singers there, Christine Daae, and pretends to be an angel sent by her dead father in order to receive her love and affection. Throughout the musical/movie, the Phantom otherwise known as Erik:

  1. Pretends to be an angel sent by Christine's father to become her music tutor and develop a relationship with her
  2. Assaults Christine after she removes his mask
  3. Murders the opera house's stage manager, Joseph Buquet, to punish the opera house for not casting Christine as the lead in a musical they put on
  4. Pretends to be Christine's father to persuade her to come back to him after she leaves him to marry another man named Raoul, this almost works until Raoul comes and rescues her (oh believe me we are going to talk about him in a bit!)
  5. Tries to kill Raoul for thwarting his scheme
  6. Demands the opera house to put on a musical he wrote and gave to them under the implicit threat that once again, someone will die unless his demands are met
  7. Murders Ubaldo Piangi, the person who was supposed to perform as the male lead alongside Christine as the female lead in the production, and then takes his role to get close to her
  8. Literally kidnaps Christine and takes her to his labyrinth
  9. When Raoul comes to save Christine, he hangs a rope around his neck and threatens to suffocate him to death unless Christine put on a wedding dress he has and be his wife
  10. Much like Joe, has a tragic background of being abused by someone, in his case for his deformity

This is very Joe Goldberg. Yandere? Tick. Murderer? Tick. Kidnapped the girl? Tick. Murderously antagonistic to any competition for the girl? Tick. Tragic background? Tick.

And... People literally ship Erik with Christine. You could go on Tumblr or YouTube, people genuinely wish they had ended up together. And p

... keep reading on reddit ➑

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My teacher said that I could have extra points on my presentation if I dressed like the Phantom of the Opera [self] reddit.com/gallery/oh7pbq
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"Francine my pants ripped. Go to my desk, in my top drawer there’s a pair of sky blue wrinkle release dockers, underneath that is my Phantom of the Opera long sleeve t-shirt. Please bring it immediately and tie it around my waist."
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The Phantom of the Opera is the prove than men wearing make up are hot. (at least if it's made right)
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HELP! Phantom of The Opera character concept

Hello fellow DnD enthusiast I come to you for aid in my indecisiveness. My wife introduced me to the book "Phantom of The Opera" and I fell in love with the story and its characters. Most of all I liked the story of Eric the phantom. While watching the Broadway shows, movies, and mini serious (which was my favorite 10/10). I had an idea to incorporate the Phantom into a character in some way. I have been thinking about different ideas for a while and ive decided to not copy and past, but take some of his persona and build it up over the entire campaign. I'm torn between keeping my Phantom like the OG phantom as a none magical performer of arts, jack of all trades and assassin, or a college of whispers bard, Jack of all trades and assassin. Or on a complete different idea a bard, warlock with a chaotic preforming arts patron of some sort.

I havent got much for character building because I cant make up my mind in this topic. If I give him magic will it kill the mystery of the phantom or will giving him Subtle magic and illusion make him all the better.

I'm happy to read others opinions so don't hold back. Everything helps to some degree maybe I can pull together an interesting character.

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I already own the individual sets of these, but I just had to upgrade to the box set. Besides the box set includes Phantom of the Opera, so I can justify it! reddit.com/gallery/nqnr52
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The phantom of the opera is a fucking dickhead
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If there are any Phantom of the Opera writers/readers here

First of all, hello!! I admire you!!!

Second, what are your favorite tropes in the phandom? Pairings? Name of your favorite phantom fic? Do you write/read fanfic about the novel or musical? Both? Maybe a different adaptation all together?

I know there's maybe like 1 or 2 of you here, if any, probably, but thank yall so much for existing!!

I didn't know what flair to add so I said discussion :/

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Skin Idea - Masked Byron He would probably take a grimoire with him. (inspired by the Phantom of the Opera and the Batman Court of the Owls) reddit.com/gallery/nando6
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just wanna say Wilbur seems like the kind of person who had/will have a Phantom of the Opera phase. I’m just calling it. And if it hasn’t happened yet it will

sir can you confirm or deny this/do any of you understand my thinking here.

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Titan is releasing a new comic based on Andrew Lloyd Webber's Phantom of the Opera. Coming out this fall. titan-comics.com/c/1524-p…
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Discussion #26: The Phantom of the Opera (1925)

Director: Rupert Julian

An absolute classic of the horror genre, before it became the popular musical it is today, and one I had the misfortune to watch in SD on Amazon Prime. Their selection of silent movies are often quite dreadful quality and I wish I had waited to see a better version.

Lon Chaney is exceptional as the phantom, his make-up sells the performance. He really was great at playing tortured, broken characters, and it's a pity he died in 1930 although he did sort of live again through his son.

Just a solid piece of entertainment.

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Phantom of the opera

Hi everyone, this is abit of a long shot but does anyone have a video where they have all the live performing phantoms doing the music of the night high note ( where you long to be) in a compilation on YouTube, I can’t find it on YouTube anymore sadly and really want to hear it again, The video was literally called β€œwhere you long to be!” with colm Wilkinson on the front thumbnail Thankyou

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Spoiler alert 🚨 (just don’t read if you haven’t read Phantom of the Opera 1-13)

Does anyone else think they made Raoul kinda creepy/ crazy I thought his reaction to seeing Christine was absolutely bonkers. Especially because the title card that was there before seemed so tender and sweet. His outburst was I think personally so uncalled for and they made him so jealous. Am I crazy or am I just too used to the very understanding Raoul from the movie lol? Thoughts?

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Rebecca Caine was treated horribly by Colm Wilkinson during her run of Phantom of the Opera. Management covered his a** and gave Caine the boot instead (reposted by @down.once.more) instagram.com/p/CP6Wh2IjJ…
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Played Phantom of the Opera just for this dress
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Andrew Lloyd Webber: "We will say 'come to the theatre and arrest us,'" the Evita and Phantom of the Opera composer is quoted as saying. "We are going to open, come hell or high water." bbc.com/news/entertainmen…
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Nightwish - The Phantom Of The Opera [METAL] youtu.be/cEsSO4smnr0
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Since there's no Phantom of the Opera mii's, I decided to make my own. First time using the makeup feature to this extent. Be gentle.
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Erik from the 1925 Phantom of the Opera is deeper than the cellars that he lives in reddit.com/gallery/omga0x
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Currently reading; 'The Cthulhu Stories of Robert E. Howard' and 'The Phantom of the Opera' by Garston Leroux
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Any Phantom of the Opera Fans here?

Hello there, I just fell in Love with the story of Phantom of the Opera and Love never dies, including the songs which I'm hearing on repeat. One day I wanna watch both of them. Are there other Phantoms Fans out there? I'm way too hyped on this to keep it for me right now^^

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Musicals like Phantom of the Opera and/or Les miserables? (Bonus question :))

I have hyper fixated on both of these beautiful pieces of art for many many years and am just putting out my feelers to see if there’s any other musical that I would enjoy, I figure this is the place to ask. My google search for musicals like these seem to never give any help.

What I like about them and look for in others: -time frame (1800/1900, type of outfit/scenery) -emotion/music (wide range: dramatic/devastating/Romantic)

What I don’t (usually) like in musicals: -modern (music/themes/setting) -I like musical comedy in moderation, master of the house is perfect and I enjoy it so incredibly much, but I am fine with phantom having no comedic relief

Note: I was never a β€œtheater kid” I was much to shy at that point in my life and just admired from afar! I always attended my school showings and occasional local shows. Therefore: pardon my lack of a lot of musical knowledge :p

Bonus question: for my own benefit and interest, any musicals that are Renaissance/fantasy/magic like?

Thank you for reading I really appreciate it!! (Sorry if this post isn’t appropriate for r/musicals!)

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Phantom of the Opera for Easy Piano - Book (Amazon Link)

I restore and play antique 1800's pump organs. I am just a beginner piano player and found this book was just right for me. Most music uses three notes at a time with limited sharps and flats. Sounds great on an 1882 pump organ. It will work fine for your piano or keyboard. Great reviews.

Phantom of the Opera (Easy Piano) Paperback – February 1, 1989

Note: I am NOT connected to the sale of this book in any way.

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Does anyone know where I can get a full orchestra score to the Phantom of the Opera?

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They definitely need a lot of work, but I'm pretty pleased with them so far. I bit the bullet and made them myself since no one has posted these two yet. This is my Phantom of the Opera and the titular character from Mamoru Hosoda's new film Belle. 2XJWXL3 reddit.com/gallery/omqox9
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Songs of Nightwish | Phantom of the Opera | Weekly Series

Welcome to the weekly series in which we discuss a specific song of the Nightwish albums. This post gets posted each week with a randomly chosen song.

You're free to share your thoughts and perhaps analysis of the song.

Lyrics and analysis are posted so you can read a long.

Analysis

Because of the excellent commitment and in depth analysis provided by u/Tommithy1686 we want to honor this by going back to it each week and have his collection there for everyone to read.

His collections are linked here:

Part 1: 1 - 100

https://www.reddit.com/r/nightwish/collection/2e28a210-2429-4fce-893f-8f84399a2354

Part 2: 100+

https://www.reddit.com/r/nightwish/collection/815dc9e2-9c1c-4fe8-93cf-ac7132338368

^(Collections can only contain 100 (hence the two seperate collections))

Song: Phantom of the Opera

Album: Century Child

Link, provided by Nightwish:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL25rbnvM4o Live concert

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEsSO4smnr0

Lyrics:

https://genius.com/Nightwish-the-phantom-of-the-opera-lyrics

Analysis link:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nightwish/comments/mhxm1u/100ish_days_of_nightwish_day_64_the_phantom_of/

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Not sure if its been done yet, but...Phantom of the Opera inspired Hunter reddit.com/gallery/o3sakq
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"The Phantom of the Opera" (1962) + "Opera" (1987)

Aregnto's "Opera" (1987) is basically the story of Phantom but with a Giallo twist to. Or at least that's how I see it.

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For those of you who may be interested, someone wrote a gender swapped version on the Phantom of the Opera called Sing Me Forgotten.
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Phantom of the Opera story description (mature rating, yayπŸ₯³), companions (not too bad eh?😏), and Jerry outfits: reddit.com/gallery/mttn81
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What version of Phantom of the Opera was better?
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