I'm looking for a history book that will give me a timeline of these dynasties and shine a light on the cultures and events of the times.
I am planning to do some research regarding this particular topic and help would be appreciated.
I’ve recently been reading into some ancient history, and there are a few civilizations that really interest me but that I’m not sure where to look to get detailed accounts. The main civilizations/groups that I want to explore now are:
I’m not sure which books would be the best to turn to for detailed information on these. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated!
Here is a full list of achievements. I have explained their references/meaning. N/A indicates that is is simply common sense or reference to a very common or well known thing, or doesn't have a reference at all. ? indicates that I could not find any information or can't explain it well, so feel free to tackle it in the comments and I'll edit it in.
Special thanks to this thread
Until death do us apart Secure a Royal Marriage with another country.
Victorious! Win a war.
That is mine! Conquer a province.
That's a Grand Army Build up your army to your country's maximum army forcelimit.
Brothers in Arms Win a war as a secondary participant.
A phrase, 'brothers in arms' means soldiers fighting together in a war.
Seriously?! Kill 10,000 men in one battle.
That's a Grand Navy Build up your navy to your country's ma... keep reading on reddit ➡
Enjoy reading about this butcher (and he's just one of thousands of Islamic conquerors and rulers we have faced). Many have been worse. Very few have been better.
> try to find a list of Hindu butchers as well
I did try. I failed. That's pretty damn hilarious. I searched for anything older than British-era violence (thanks to their insane Divide & Conquer policy and the resulting friction with the Muslims, actual Hindu violence can be identified here for the first time), and I turned up diddly fucking squat out of Hinduism's 4000 year history.
(EDIT: I ran a search for "historical atrocities by hindus" and the entire results section is just link after link of how Muslims and Christians systematically persecuted peaceful Hindus. It's hilarious how wrong you are.)
Hindu butchery? Is that how you think Hinduism spread to all tho... keep reading on reddit ➡
I grew up in Kerala,India, History was one of the most biased subjects it was tweaked to fit the indian Narrative.
What I learned.
Indus valley civilization.
Gupta dynasty, Magadha Empire.
Mougals, And few other Islamic invasions.
Chera, Chola and Pandya Dynasties.
Modern Indian History since European colonization.
Everything happily ever after since 1947. (No context on Kashmir issue, brief mention of indo-china war, and rest of India-Pak wars, Nothing about Indra Gandhi's misadventures)
Mesopotamia and Sumeria.
Chinese civil war.
Brief mention of Pol pot regime, Sukarno, and Myanmar.
French revolution (Everything happily ever after the revolution)
Russian revolution. (Everything happily ever after the revolution)
WWII (Nothing much on holocaust, Brief mention of how INA was fighting with Axis powers)
American independence. (Nothing o
do you guys know which is the oldest dynasty? Maybe one who are descendants of a Roman emperor?
Fairly straightforward question and tbh I think there are a lot of rime periods to choose from. Ideally, in my opinion, the start date would be at a point where the subcontinent was as divided as possible so one faction didn't dominate the map. This could be alleviated somewhat by also including parts of Southeast Asia (although how much is another question in of itself).
Personally I think a really good time to set it would be the early 1200s at the start of the Delhi Sultanate. At that time the Seuna Dynasty was probably the biggest power on the subcontinent, but they weren't si big that they couldn't be challenged by Delhi or a southern power such as the Cholas or Pandyas.
If you extended it to include all of Southeast Asia you'd also have some more large realms, namely Pagan, the Khmer Empire, Dai Viet the emerging Thai Kingdoms and (depending on how far you extended) Kediri, the crumbling Srivijaya and possibly Dali.
This time period would also have the threat of the Mongol inv... keep reading on reddit ➡
I saw the Nayakan movie and the hero was Velu Nayakar. So Google panni paatha, some of those veera Tamilar we learnt about(Kattaboman, Rani Mangamal etc) were also Nayakars. But it turns out, that they aren't completely Tamil? Hybrid of Tamil and Telugu? So yeah, ungaluku therinjadha sollunga. Avanga Tamila, Telunga illa hybrida?
Vijayalaya Chola and his ancestors lived in the same time as that of the Pallavas and the Pandyas.
All three of these dynasties have been in existence since the 6 century BCE. And of the three, two of them ( Chola and Pallava ) went on to become empires.
How did three great power exist under each other without being removed from existence?
>Swami Vivekananda was of the belief that Buddhist principles of Ahimsa lead to the downfall of India. It demilitarised India with more number of people, especially Kshatriya clans, adopting non violence and Buddhism and giving up arms completely. This further resulted in India being conquered by foreign powers. This statement of Swami Vivekananda is highly contested by, seems to me, to be somewhat true. I will try to present some facts in favour of as well as against this argument.
> ##Failure of Alexander
>When Alexander invaded India, he encountered severe resistance in the North western frontiers, now in Afghanistan and Pakistan and could barely move forward. He witnessed very hostile common people and villagers who would attack the Greeks as soon as they set foot in their village. Plato and Strabo have admitted this. Alexander has written about this in his letters to his mother and Aristotle.
> ## Success of Indo Greeks
>Cut to around 200–250 years later, afte... keep reading on reddit ➡
As having subscribed to this reddit recently, I decided to present some new interesting starts from 1066 to 1337 that are not present at the CK2 Wiki. So, here it goes:
So I've seen a fair few people discuss possibilities for Total Wars focussing on the Victorian era and some as late as WW1 or WW2. However, I think an interesting idea could be to shift back 150 years earlier than ever before, back to 550 BC and focused on the rise of one of the most well known empires in history: The First Persian, or Achaemenid, Empire. I've had this map and idea for a while (I do lots of maps for potential total War ideas it's kind of a hobby), and thought I'd share here.
This is the map:
Imgur Link: https://i.imgur.com/zuwXP6m.png
The year is 550 BC, and the most dominant power in the near east is the Medean Empire. However, things can change quickly in history, and a new power has risen in the Medean province of Persis. Cyrus the Great of the Achaemenid dynasty has risen up in revolt against the Med... keep reading on reddit ➡
During his reign Arab intruders of the Umayyad Caliphate invaded southern Gujarat which was under Chalukya rule. The Umayyad Caliphate was the 2nd largest of the 4 Islamic Caliphates, they basically covered regions from as far as the entire Portugal, entire Spain except some parts of Basque, Southern Parts of France, North Africa, Arab regions, Iran, Iraq, Pak, Afghan.
>But the Arabs were defeated and driven out by Pulakesi, a Chalukya governor of Navsari.
Vikramaditya II overran the other traditional kingdoms of Tamil country, the Pandyas, the Cholas and the Cheras in addition to subduing a Kalabhra ruler.
At their peak, the Chalukyas ruled a vast empire stretching from the Kaveri in the south to the Narmada in the north.
Source - Chalukya dynasty
The Gupta Empire had just collapsed, the North (Uttara Bharatam) was in chaos, Madya Bharatam and Dakshina Bharatam were in so much chaos that you could have climbed the ladder all the way to the moon. The barbaric Kalabhara dynasty had just fallen after 5 centuries of rule, the Pallavas who had overthrown the Kalabhara under the great Simhavishnu were themselves staving off a power grab by their allies, the Pandyas under Kadungon Pandyan. The Western Gangas, Kadambas were both fighting for supremacy while a dying Vakataka Kingdom was desperately trying to hold onto its power.
In this mix comes Pulakesin 1 (a small vassal state of the Kadambas) and the afore mentioned Simhavishnu Pallava. Pulakesin 1 lays the foundations for the Chalukyan empire while Simhavishnu does it for a resurgent Pallavas (They had been around for centuries already by this point in time). Now, the greatness of Simhavishnu is laid clear in various edicts and sources from the era, whereas Pulakesin I is a bit of... keep reading on reddit ➡
|africa east||Kilwa||As Kilwa, own and have cores on Zanzibar and Bombay (Thana).|
|short||africa east||Somali||As a Somali nation, fully own the Horn of Africa region and have a monthly gold income of at least 10 ducats.|
|short||africa east||Butua||Starting as Butua, conquer Mutapa (Zimbabwe and Lower Zambezi areas).|
|short||africa north||Nubian||As a Nubian culture nation, own the entire Egyptian region as core provinces.|
|africa north||Fezzan||As Fezzan, control at least 90% of the trade power in Tunis, Katsina, Safi and Timbuktu.|
|africa north||Morocco||Starting as Morocco, conquer the Niger and Sahel Regions.|
|long||africa west||Kongo||Own and have cores on all provinces in Africa as Kongo.|
|long (and boring)||africa west||Busoga, Buganda or Karagwe||As Busoga, Buganda or Karagwe, reach administrative, diplomatic and military technology level 32.|
|colonize||africa west||Kaffa||As Kaffa, develop in Cafa while a subject of yours owns it.|
So yesterday there was an interesting message regarding the rulers of India .So i asked my mom to forward it to me ,as i am a big history buff and it would have been immensely helpful to have the dynasties arranged chronologically as it would help me in learning about the dynasties (and also reduce the effort of arranging it myself). And then i find only the Mughals and British rulers only .I thought there might be a separate section for the Indian rulers be it Guptas ,Mauryas,Shivaji Maharaj ,Cholas,Pandyas ,Rajputs,Ahoms etc .And to my surprise there was none .There was a conclusion that for so many centuries only outsiders aka Christians and Muslims ruled us and now finally a Hindu is ruling us so we should be happy and also proud and support him blah blah . Well the propaganda is strong and is ever where now and also very subtle. As a person who voted for him in 2014 with high expectations that maybe finally our country will improve slowly and steadily ,i do feel really stupid now... keep reading on reddit ➡
Kongu Nadu is a region and aspirant state of India comprising the western part of Tamil Nadu. In the ancient Tamilakam, it was the seat of the Chera kings, bounded on the east by Tondai Nadu, on the south-east by Chola Nadu and on the south by Pandya Nadu regions.
**The region was ruled by the Cheras during Sangam period between c. 1st and the 4th centuries CE and it served as the eastern entrance to the Palakkad Gap, the principal trade route between the west coast and Tamil Nadu. The Kosar people mentioned in the second century CE Tamil epic Silappathikaram and other poems in Sangam literature is associated with the Coimbatore region. The region was located along an ancient Roman trade route that extended from Muziris to Arikamedu.The Gangas of Thalakkad ruled it for over 5 centuries.The medieval Cholas conquered the region in the 10th century CE. It came under the rule of the Vijayanagara Empire by the 15th century. A... keep reading on reddit ➡
In August, I posted about my idea for a Silk Road-themed expansion ahead of the official Gamescom reveal. As we are now getting near the usual DLC release date, I want to show you how I improved the pitch after some discussion on Steam forums. This will be the last time, I promise!
First of all, let's take another look at AlMusafir's wonder location map. The current AoE2 civ roster has representatives for both ends of "the World Island" - the Eurasian continent, and the most glaring omission is Central Asia in the middle. The history of the medieval world is simply incomplete without the region that both connected it together, and gave birth to its conquerors. Central Asia can be trivially argued to be more important than the likes of Ireland and Vietnam, who existed on the margins of Eurasia; however, exactly because of i... keep reading on reddit ➡
Just post a story of a near dynastic death experience.
For me it was recent. I've been playing as the Pandya's in southern India. Because it was all gavel kind I had to murder (well throw in the jail) my brothers. Only one brother was okay with me. After 3 rulers I had a large family, 20 living members I think. But soon diseases swept through and they almost all died. Then I got caught up in a revolt against my liege, emperor of the Deccan Empire and was imprisoned with no children. I died there and that chill brother's son became the new dynastic head. As him I managed to rebuild a bit, but I had no heir. If I died that was that. Did I mention he was a celibate, so no kids. He had cancer, got wounded many times and was a lunatic (and I got glitterhoof!). He had one bastard son who I couldn't make legit. I also only had 3 other living family members. Two were old women and the other a woman of 23 year old. One matrilineal marriage later with the bastard and she died in child birth, bu... keep reading on reddit ➡
The victory in the North had revived the ambitions of the Satavahanas to be greater than the Vallava Dynasty.
With Shantanu's ascension came the promise of redemption from the lethargy that had set in. Grand plans were drawn up for surpassing everyone that had come before him and to imprint his name in history. The first of these plans was securing the borders. The second was the declaration of his Mandate to Rule, proffered by the gods and seized with the strength of his own arms. Thus were sent messengers in all directions to settle the borders of Dakshinapatha, once and for all.
To the Konga chiefs, the Andhra petty kings and the remnants of the Vallava dynasty, now calling themselves the Pallava, was sent this message -
*" The Most Exalted Under The Sun, Shatavahana Emperor, Lord of the Arya and the Dravida, Lord of the Waves, Beloved of the War God Karthikeya, Master of the Western Path, Lord of the Southern Way, King of Kings, Shalivahana hereby bids you to enter His presence... keep reading on reddit ➡
So, having played CK2 for a while, I decided it was time to finally do a Buddhist playthrough all the way to 1444 with an eye on converting to EU4, and going till 1800 and whenever.
But, apparently, our friend the random number generator saw what was going on and decided to step up its game. I mean, sure, the Abbassids are colloquially known as the "Blobbasids" and the "Blobinate" for a reason, but they pulled out all the stops for this play through.
769 Start: So, I start as the King of Kamarupa/Assam way on the far eastern edge of the map, the proud Hindu owner of six (6) out of his kingdom's seven (7) Buddhist counties.
The usual situation occurs locally, with the nearby powerful Palla dynasty engaged in the gavelkind unite/breakup/unite/breakup dance with the Buddhist Bengal and Bihar Kingdoms, and another neighbor to the south, a Hindu Raja (Duke) in control of a full Buddhist duchy and a few extra single counties from other duchies in Bengal.
So, I jump in, bide my ti... keep reading on reddit ➡
>> There is one world of many, this Bhuvi; In this world, there are lands, in the center of those lands, stands the Jambūdvīpa. Here is the light of the world. Here is the land of gold. Here is the Cakravartin. Here is the Sārvabhauma.
>These words that come to us from the mists of time, when the Vallava emperors still ruled all the lands and much more. These were the first to call themselves the Chakravartin, the mover of wheels. Such was their power and ability that one might even be inclined to agree with them. Theirs was an empire that encompassed all of Dakshinapatha, the colony of Davaka, Lanka andparts of Javatrasia.
>A marvellous deed at any time and certainly impressive in those. Their administration was singularly effective - these are the first instances of a centralisation of power. The records are truly amazing. Until this point, we have no real notion of a centralised governance system. There are a few wisps and whispers here and there, yes, but nothi... keep reading on reddit ➡
Hello future Tyrants.
This is a guide showing what I do, and why I do it, when starting CK2 as a Count (Thakur) of a single province in India in the year 769. In this case, the province is Mahoyadapuram, which is located on the southwest coast of India.
Background Info: Mahoyadapuram is part of the de jure Duchy (Raj) of Chera Nadu. In 769, Chera Nadu's five de jure provinces are divided between four different owners, and nobody holds the duchy title.
Two of those provinces are owned by two different counts who are vassals of the Raj of Pandya Nadu. One of those vassal counts is you, and the other is the Thakur of Venadu.
Venadu will be your first target.
Why choose Mahoyadapuram?: It's a six-holding county, stating with one castle, one city, and one temple. This leaves three empty holdings that can be filled with three more cities later.
Also, it's located on the Silk Road trade route as a port. At the beginning of the game, this doesn't mean a whole lot... but b... keep reading on reddit ➡
Narantaka was on the warpath. Earlier events had conspired to make him as mad as an elephant in mada, or so he told himself as he marched to war against the Pallava. They had taken up arms against him first and they needed to be taught a lesson they would never forget. His forefathers had spent enough time trying to make peace with them and allowing then to live as a sign of respect for... keep reading on reddit ➡
Today i present an Indian Historicalwhatif.
India i find is a very neglected part of History, every one thinks that India was unsuccessfull throughout it's history, i find this sad, how people make there half baked opinion on various events that were popularised by British and other archaeologists/historians. India was the cradle of the world in terms of art, trade, wealth, military and culture, especially during the Mauryan and Gupta dynasty.
A little history on Mauryan India.
The Mauryan Empire in now at its peak of power, with the largest economy and powerful standing army in the world. Now ruled of Asoka Maurya, 56, a skilled military tactician and wise statecraft-er under whom the empire has flourished to its greatness.
Mauryan empire followed a very large hierarchy with the Saamraat (The Emperor) on top and considered the absolute authority of the state. Several royal family members, relations, subjugated kings, chieftains, recruited... keep reading on reddit ➡
There had been a gross injustice. Madurai, the greatest and holiest city of the Tamilakam had been shut off to the Cheras. This was unheard of. Madurai, the Pandya capital, had been recently overrun and occupied by the Cholar. This in itself was not a big deal. The legend went that the ever expanding temple by the gates of Madurai had been originally built when the victory stones placed there after each conquest of the city by the Chola and the retaking by the Pandya became so numerous that they were thought of being pillars to a roofless temple. Throughout history, whoever held the city accorded the courtesy to those that held city permits given by the other dynasty to enter, as a matter o... keep reading on reddit ➡
The Sinhala king was frustrated. For nearly two generations, his dynasty had been the punching bags for the Pandya and the Chola dynasties, the battlefield for their clashes for supremacy. To them was denied technology and initiative. While these two lands grew fat off trade, Sinhala was isolated! Their ships were not allowed to sail to the west - on that, the ancient rivals agreed. All their sapphires and pearls were being exploited, their spices snatched from their grasp on which the others prospered.
IT WAS UNFAIR! The king needed to do something soon or he may as well just give up his office and sell himself to the highest bidder. No. There would be new explorations. To the south lay nothing at all. Many had sailed for months and returned not at all.
The East though! The East had remained a mystery for a very long time. Much of the trade in the olden days had been along the coast to the north. Never had their people gone across the open ocean to see what lay there! Now would be t... keep reading on reddit ➡
The Chola and Pandya claimed supremacy over the ancient Dravidar. For ages and generations uncounted, they had been rivals, each losing and winning territories so much so that the raids on one side from the other had become an almost annual occurrence. The borders had changed so often that those people who lived in the areas no longer knew who they paid their yearly tithe to. But all of that would soon change.
In the halls of the Chola King, there came a day when three hooded men wearing a red robe entered noiselessly.
Going to the center of the hall, the leader of the group spoke - " Hail, Kaandhalan, son of Kaandhaman, greatest among the Chola, Protector of Dravida blood, Keeper of the peace. We have come to talk to you."
The king, intrigued, ordered them to speak their mind.
" We are the ancient order of the Light of the Land. Ours is the job of preserving Order in the universe and n... keep reading on reddit ➡
Playing the Pandya empire. I have all of South India, most of th west also. I also have the 7th largest max levies number ~35,000 men).
Problem is, the Pratihara dynasty basically steamrolled every place from Afghanistan to Bengal. It is 890 and they have the largest army by far (something like ~ 80,000 men). I tried snatching some territory from them, I thought I could just mass my troops and do a quick in and out. Bad move, as 4 years of war later, my max levies were down to a piddling 5,000 and I lost the war to boot.
I have now signed upto be a vassal, with the idea of undermining it from within. Problem is, I have no clue what to do. Only faction I can form is the independence faction which makes no sense really.
I do have a huge swing factor though, the moment I weigh into a faction, it jumps up by 40% (my levies have recovered). How do I use this power to destabilise the Pratiharas? I haven't seen a single massive civil war break out ever in this campaign. Even when the emper... keep reading on reddit ➡