Malagasy hippopotamus. At first only known from fossils dated to at least 1,000 years ago, oral legends and biological evidence uncovered since suggest it may have existed much more recently, "possibly... into the present day" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mal…
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Malagasy hippopotamuses en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mal…
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Giant Lemurs

I was wondering: what does this sub think about these cryptids, and about the possibility that one or two species of giant lemur might still exist in Madagascar's very last remote forests?

I've seen very little discussion about this subject online, and no discussion whatsoever on /r/Cryptozoology, which is odd given how recently giant lemurs are supposed to have gone extinct, and how open-minded many mainstream zoologists/palaeontologists (and even Wikipedia) are regarding their continued existence or late survival. Assuming most people know about subfossil giant lemurs, but I'll list the genera which are usually used to explain these cryptids:

  • Megaladapis, about the size of a sheep, with a very prominent, ungulate-like snout, big canines, and eyes on the sides of its skull.

  • Palaeopropithecus, a very gangly climbing and leaping "sloth lemur," weighing between 100-120 pounds, with a pointed snout. The latest radiocarbon dates for this genus are as late as the 1500's.

  • Hadropithecus, flat-faced and of uncertain size, but not a giant, and thought to have been mainly terrestrial. Although traditionally considered to be Madagascar's answer to the baboon, newer studies suggest it may have been built more like a gorilla.

  • Archaeoindris, a giant lemur with the size and general appearance of a gorilla, which was Madagascar's largest known primate. Despite its bulk, it was apparently still at least semi-arboreal.

  • Other famous genera include Archaeolemur, Babakotia, Mesopropithecus, Pachylemur, and the giant aye-aye Daubentonia robusta.

Most of an entire chapter was dedicated to persisting giant lemurs in On the Track of Unknown Animals, but by far the most complete survey is Karl Shuker's Mirabilis: A Carnival of Cryptozoology and Unnatural History (2013). Most of this information comes from those two books.

The tokandia is the subject of a Malagasy proverb: "the tsomgoby goes straight ahead but the tokandia moves in jumps". It was said to be a big leaping quadrupedal animal which lived in trees. It does not have a man-like face, but it does cry out like a man.

  • Heuvelmans took this to be a Megaladapis. Whatever it was, it has unfortunately never been reported in modern times, which is why I'm listing it first.

The tratratratra was one of the earliest Malagasy cryptids to be described. Admiral de Flacourt wrote in 1658 that it was a man-faced, frizzy-haired animal t

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Are species "rediscoveries" staged?

Something I've wanted to post about for a while. I've wanted to talk more about conspiracies in general for a while but I didn't want to look stupid to mainstream Reddit as well as my friends online. But I've decided that if other people have a problem with me asking questions, talking to others, wanting to find the truth on my own, then that's their problem, not mine. As Aristotle supposedly said, any truly educated mind should entertain any thought, even without accepting it.

The Animal Planet documentary series "Extinct or Alive" focuses on the adventures of Forrest Galante, who travels around the world to exotic places looking for supposedly extinct animals that may not actually be extinct. In only 19 episodes, Forrest Galante has apparently been involved in the possible rediscovery of eight animal species.

  • Zanzibar leopard
  • Pondicherry shark
  • Fernandina Island Galapagos tortoise
  • Miller's grizzled langur
  • Cape lion
  • Malagasy hippopotamus
  • Yangtze giant softshell turtle
  • Rio Apaporis caiman

I haven't seen a full episode myself, but I have seen a clip where Galante handles the Rio Apaporis caiman. Read about the series on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinct_or_Alive

Just what are the odds of a show like this being so successful in finding these animals?

The Search for Lost Species (https://www.globalwildlife.org/search-for-lost-species/) is a similar initiative. Basically a list of 25 "Most Wanted" animal and plant species that haven't been seen in a long time. Since being launched in 2017, it has already 'rediscovered' four species. It's like if your phone or computer went missing for 10 years but you suddenly get the idea of looking for it after 10 years and then you suddenly find it where you last left it despite you having checked that place countless times before. I'm not sure about whether all the species were extensively looked for but I do know there were several expeditions and surveys looking for the Zanzibar leopard.

Could rediscoveries of "extinct" animals be staged, or even the animal subjects themselves complete hoaxes? What are your thoughts?

Fake animals is a very under-discussed conspiracy IMO, that the deeper part of the conspiracy community seems surprisingly hostile to. If one is already willing to believe TPTB are faking space, globe earth, dinosaurs, history, nukes, etc then is it really such a stretch to think that some modern animal species could be fake or misrepresented?

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Killing all the lemurs, hunting all the elephant birds, burning all the forests, murdering all the chameleons, and slaying all the animals: an ode to monsanto

With the discovery of Zesinga, the seafaring Pfeça were attracted to this mysterious land of odd creatures and no people. Many communities began moving to the island, sailing Ncomps and other, larger boats. Fishing villages spread and popped up along the coast. The few crops that the Pfeça grew were soon planted in small batches, but most food was acquired through fishing and foraging.

The Wa tree was one which was held in high esteem on the mainland among the Pfeça, but soon it was discovered there was also Wa in Zesinga. These trees were taken much care of, and valued highly. But this was not the only tree that the Pfeça found on their new island: indeed, there were others which could be eaten. Xaph was one such tree - it had been present on the mainland, that, too, their fruits being eaten well in the ancestral homeland, dried and sweetish-bitter: it was a good food, and the discovery of more such trees was grand. But there was a third and a fourth plant which was soon consumed and foraged, eaten alongside caught fish, and boiled with beans: these were Shijjó and Tc'oó. Shijjó sprouts were boiled and then eaten, for otherwise it would be poisonous. It was for this reason the Tzuuc'haç were given their name, the name of "poison-eaters". Tc'oó was used to flavour food, in particular vegetables and fish, and it was much beloved: the seeds of the tree were soon taken, and spread to the four other isles which the Pfeça now took.

These isles were called Haxxçep Jiùc, the Mangrove Archipelago. Unlike Zesinga, people already appeared to be living here, strange people who spoke an impossible language. It was a disturbing tongue to listen to, and so these foreigners were deemed to be Nxehx, taboo. The Pfeça ignored these people as long as they could, as some landed in the Haxxçep Jiùc on the way to Zesinga. but soon it was impossible to ignore them: the Pfeça exodus was too grand, too many people were moving, and many were deciding to settle down on the islands.

Thus the Pfeça waged war. With warbands, Zakó, landing on the island,

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Film Theory: The Deadly Truth Of Madagascar (Madagascar Movie) - Film Theory youtube.com/watch?v=pTs62…
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Malagasy Hippo

Hippos used to live on Madagascar until about 1,000 years ago. They were small, about 6.5 feet long and 2.5 feet tall. That is why it is also called the Malagasy dwarf hippopotamus.

In 1648, Étienne de Flacourt, the French governor of Madagascar, wrote about heading stories from the Malagasy about an animal called mangarsahoc that resembled a hippo. Others in other areas of Madagascar reported tsy-aomby-aomby, the omby-rano, and the laloumena which all resembled a hippo.

In 1902, a colonial administrator named Raybaud said that stories he heard in the highlands of hippos made him believe they were still alive as of 1878.

In the 1990s, David Burney, who was studying recent extinctions, was in Belo-sur-mer, a small fishing village on the west coast. He said that several villagers independently described an animal that, as recently as 1976, had entered their village, was the size of a cow, was dark pigmented, grunted a lot, and when threatened, fled underwater. One man in the village could accurately mimic the sound of many animals, and when asked to imitate the sound of the creature, he made noises very similar to that of a hippopotamus. He had never left the island and claimed he never saw a hippo. When shown photos, they identified it as a hippo but with longer ears. Multiple people reported its last appearance as being 1976.

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Can somebody help me build a culture for this civilization?

Around 10ish thousand years ago, the Guants, a species of cyan-skinned humanoids from the planet of Olympia (based on Ancient Greco-Roman culture) was expelled from their home planet by what were essentially space vikings (despite lack of advanced technology, FOTL travel is possible because of a complicated magic system that I have no time to explain here). These Guants landed on the planet of Aurea, a world rich in gold and with a similar Mediterranean climate to the world they left. However, the planet was unfathomably large compared to their own home planet, and had much more diverse terrain (although Aurea's climate was mostly Mediterranean, it also included high mountains, harsh desert, flat steppes, and deep jungles). The central and western areas, where the Guants settled, would remind us of Italy, Greece, and Turkey. East of this was a vast desert and steppe, reminiscent of Mongolia, with tropical rainforests all along the east coast of the eastern continent (called Louzi by the Aureans). The eastern and western continents were joined at the city of Astrás, which is built much like Constantinople, except in more hilly terrain. The southern and western parts were reminiscent of Italy and Greece, but the northern and eastern areas bore a strong resemblance to the Serengeti.

While the Guants were able to colonize the central area, they were not the only ones on the planet. The Tengol Khanate (basically think Mongols) controlled the deserts, steppes, and jungles of the eastern continent, while the Zebo Tribe (think of a Zulu-Zande combination) controlled the northern and eastern areas of the western continent.

However, the most marked difference between Olympia and Aurea was the fauna. While Olympia was inhabited mostly by creatures from Greco-Roman mythology, Aurea's wildlife was composed of dinosaurs, other extinct beasts, and other animals the Guants would have never even heard of. Here is a list:

**Land Mammals**

- Asiatic Lion

- Caspian Tiger

- Grey Wolf

- Eurasian Lynx

- Persian Leopard

- Striped Hyena

- Red Fox

- European Badger

- Syrian Brown Bear

- Tarpan

- Onager

- Aurochs

- Wild Boar

- Red Deer

- Moose

- Bison Latifrons

- Wild Goat

- Mouflon

- Markhor

- Direbear (Colossal bear resembling a combination of a grizzly bear and Arctodus Simus)

- Elasmotherium

- Asian Elephant

- American Mastod

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