Hi everyone, I've been cross-training Judo and BJJ for the past 6 months. I do double the Judo training in BJJ per week, so my mind tends to be BJJ formatted. This is why I'm having trouble sticking to the Judo rules especially during Randori/Newaza, as they sometimes feel limiting and counter intuitive (I know, a bunch of the BJJ moves also be extremely ineffective, especially standing up).
Is there a good Article/thread about the important rules that differ between the two? Or maybe some of you have managed to cross-train and separate the two to get the most of them separately?
In that case I'd be happy to get some tips and tricks to help me progress in both. I know my training partners in Judo would find it more respectful of me if I didn't go out of topic all the time...
I saw that there are belts like: white, white-yellow, yellow, yellow-orange, orange etc.
So I'm curious if as an adult you have to follow this structure or whether it's possible to go like: white -> yellow -> orange.
I'm also curious if you need to stay at one belt for a certain amount of time. Since it could be that you did a related martial arts for several years and thus can do some techniques already or learn them really quickly.
Hey, just wondering if someone here could explain the rule changes and conditions from this video: 2022 - 2024 IJF Judo Rules Information. I have watched some of the video already, but I'm still confused because I am just an average-uncultured BJJ Guy/Wrestler that's looking to practice Judo in the new future. Also, I'm just curious to see what the major changes are and just want to know how the new rules will change the sport of Judo.
Jurota is both the ref and the guy who will put Meguro down just in case he goes a bit bat shut.
Now with the Olympics over, and a lot of different opinion over how good/bad the current Judo rule set is, various different things have been floating through my mind that I thought it might be worth writing down. If nothing else, they might spark some discussion. But first, some quotes:
>“Whenever I run into a problem I can't solve, I always make it bigger. I can never solve it by trying to make it smaller, but if I make it big enough, I can begin to see the outlines of a solution.” - Dwight D. Eisenhower
>"People respond to incentives" - Literally the first princple on the first page of my college economics textbook
> "Fix it, don't nerf it" - a million different gamers asking the devs to stop fiddling around with stat values to correct imbalances and make the underlying system actually work.
None of these quotes have anything to do with the world of Judo...or do they?
First, a TL;DR for those wondering whether to read this giant essay: The concept of Ippon = instant victory, the golden score and the use of Shidos as penalty for negative behavior rather than rewarding the other player for forcing his opponent onto the defensive have combined to create a sport that is far less dynamic and fun to watch(and probably a lot less fun to play) than it could be. Although please don't flame me too hard in the comments if all you read is the TL;DR. I think I make some compelling arguments that at the very least merit consideration.
Also: in this essay I will make numerous references to the rules of the international styles of wrestling, Freestyle and Greco-Roman both. That is not because I particularly love wrestling(although I do) or think Judo should be just a jacketed version of those sports(I really don't), but because they provide great lessons in how a combat sport that had wandered up a solipsistic cul-de-sac with its rule set could reform itself in a way that aligned it's ideal of itself with its reality. FILA had all but killed wrestling with rules that were...well, kind of like Judo rules today. Hard for outsiders to understand, easy to metagame, incentivized negative behavior and encouraged stalling. And it showed. Turn of the 21st century wrestling, especially Greco-Roman was a mess. Boring to watch and frustrating for the athletes.
For a long time now the IJF has been engaged in a struggle to make Judo more exciting to watch, with more action, more crowd-pleasing throws and ideally fewer matches decided by anything othe... keep reading on reddit ➡
Been doing bjj for almost 5 years. Bjj gyms I've trained at were all super chill. No need to bow, no need to ask for permission for anything, and you can say and do pretty much what you want.
I want to start judo because I am jealous of those beautiful throws you guys do. But I'm worried my care free surfer hobo attitude would be offensive to a judo gym.
Have you guys ever seen bjj guys getting chewed out at ur judo gym? If you came from bjj, did you have trouble adjusting to judo customs? What do judokas think of bjj guys that join your gym? Do you guys call it a gym or a dojo?
I think this is the best ruleset in grappling. Leg grabs are allowed, but you are only allowed to shoot double or single legs from a clinch. Stalling in a low posture is limited to 5s. Scoring is like regular judo, but ippons must be a hard throw, no rolling ippons. Pins score points, but don't win the match, after points are given you must attempt a submission. Guard pulling is forbidden. They even have a no gi league! What do you think of freestyle Judo and does anyone have experience with it?
The "normal" grip rule is my biggest pet peeve
I'm currently an 18 year old guy with a decade and a half of wrestling experience, I'm thinking of transferring into Judo rather than competitive college wrestling for a change of pace and to expand my martial arts portfolio.
Besides the obvious, "Don't think your wrestling makes you anything more than a new white belt" and basic respect that all grapples know is there any specific Judo rules that I should know.
Eg. Should I wear or not wear a certain color gi (I've never seen any Judoka wear a black gi) , should I buy my own white belt, should I not attempt certain techniques, and generally anything else that someone in my position wouldn't know.
Whats peoples thoughts on this, text taken from a Facebook post about the event.
"Need a Judo Black Belt 185lbs to be part of the first ever Fight 2 Win Judo match at F2W101 February 8th in Denver! Match will be 7 minutes Ippon and Submission Only. All techniques legal, no penalties, no guard pulling, 30 seconds of mat time before restart unless in a submission first to submit or score two ippons wins. Opponent is a former Olympian so don't hit me up unless you are legit. Judoka's...welcome to the #BiggestPartyInGrappling #TimeForChange"
Alright - BJJ guy here. Competing in judo tomorrow and looking to win with pretty judo. If pretty judo doesn't work, I'll fall back on plan b: win with ugly judo. If ugly judo doesn't work...well, I'm still there to win so lets bring it to the ground.
My question is this: At what point can I safely assume I can enter into newaza techniques? For example, off a failed tomoe nage when can I begin grabbing legs? Do they need to have a knee down? Or if they are grabbing my collar is that sufficient?
Thanks guys! Trying to play by the rules! Plan D is lose gracefully, not get DQ'd
I've started seeing that local competitions in my area are including now Ne Waza tournaments. I found a word document on google that's allegedly IJF rules for ne waza competition, although it does not look official by any mean. Is there an actual standard regarding the rules? What has people's experiences been in these competitions?
I'm mainly concerned regarding the "no standing up" rule, which is said to be equal to normal shiai current ruling. What is exactly standing up? If I have both the sole of my feet on the tatami but I stand crouched, am I standing? If that's the case, it seems the meta is quite rigged for the (closed) guard players, getting rid of most of high percentage passes.
EDIT wow, thanks for the enthusiasm! Please keep the suggestions and discussion going, I appreciate it all. If anyone would like to meet up at EBJI tournament on September 13th to say hi and discuss further, please PM me.
How many of you would come to an informal competition in Northern California (most likely Oakland)? All rules would be based strictly on safety. Lots of people grumble, and lots of people say that no one does anything about it. So...
Here's what I'm thinking:
Time limit 20 minutes
Scoring is ippon only
Win by ippon throw, choke, armbar or pin for 25 seconds.
If there is no ippon at the end of 20 minutes there will be one 5 minute overtime. After that, it's a draw.
Delicious leg grabs are of course allowed
Hikikomi (pulling down into newaza) is allowed as long as you have a grip on your opponent while doing so - in other words, no sitting your butt down at a distance and waiting for them to "get in your guard"
No kanibasami (flying scissors takedown)
No kawazu-gake (wrapping your leg all the way around an opponent's leg)
No standing waki-gatame (attacking the elbow joint without giving your opponent a chance to tap)
Any grip you like except putting your fingers inside your opponent's sleeve or pants leg
Newaza time is very generous but generally still guided by the principle of "if no progress then call matte and stand up" - but there has to be no progress for a considerable time, in other words basically a stalemate. E.g. if one person has very tight closed guard and the other person cannot pass the guard, but the person on bottom cannot sweep or submit either.
During newaza, the person on top can force a standup by lifting the person on bottom completely off the mat - this will be an immediate matte. However if the person on bottom maintains contact with the mat then newaza will continue.
Pooled weights (i.e. no weight categories, but people of similar weights are grouped together, depending on who shows up)
Round robin for divisions of four competitors or less, double elimination for divisions five and up
We might do it as a tournament, or we might just do it as a series of scored matches, depending on how many people show up.
What do you think? Any suggestions for rules? Would you actually come? I'd invite all the local clubs, of course - my guess is that mostly adults would show up for this sort of competition... keep reading on reddit ➡
Just my two cents.
Just reminds me of that story I heard of a police disarming a criminal, only to hand back the gun, since that's what he would do in training.
I guess the sport rules can incentivize Tori to have good posture and self-awareness while on the ground after a throw, but I'm sure there are cases where it would've been better to have struck while the iron was hot.
So I've been doing bjj just under a year and whenever we do standup I get put on the ground real easy. So I decided to start cross training judo.
I am just struggling to adjust to all the rules though, I knew about not touching the legs for throws, but it seems like there is a lot more than just that.
After doing bjj, I just feel so restricted when doing judo. Is anyone else in a similar boat? What helped you to get over this problem?
I'm just wondering if anyone has the rule set of "Kosen Judo"?.
I'm looking to run a few classes under Kosen Rule set but can't seem to find the rules anywhere.
Any help would be great, I appreciate that it isn't a "style of Judo" and only a handful of universities in Japan train in Kosen.
Is there a website that tells you the rules for judo and the belts and stuff for each country?
What does the community think?